10/13/10
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Doug...It is not appropriate nor possible to "excise" high RWA folks. The "cure" if you will is keeping the rest of the body healthy. To do this, the rest of society needs to be aware that this pathology exists, and how to recognize it so they can mitigate the damage they can cause. You keep projecting your need to control and fear of otherness on the rest of the world. Perhaps that's why you can't understand progressive/liberal thought.
10/13/10
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Miguel.
If RWAs are a cancer on mankind then what is the cure? What is the treatment?
I realize that the "science" of psychology is for a bunch of bigots to get together and point their finger at a groups and label others with a "scarlet letter". To be a really useful science - how about you propose an improvement in the human condition?
So we have a cancer. It grows - there is no treatment. It shrinks - there is no treatment. It metastizes - there is no treatment. It takes over the person - there is no treatment.
Do you agree that the entiriry of psychology of any genetic trait is therefore totally useless?
10/12/10
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Doug.
I also like the concept of light sabers, world peace, and the transporter...and I still wouldn't accept that level of intrusion for the results.
I also like the concept of a world without abortion, forced terminations and round up ready weeds.
You really are not the sharpest turd in the punch bowl.
10/12/10
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Miguel.
You're exact statement is that you favor the conceptof eugenics, but you just can't figure out the details to carry out your brandof genocide.
You like it; you don't like it; you like; you don't like it.
Typical wishy-washy liberal doublespeak.
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Below is your initial statement.
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I like the concept (of eugenics) but, as with abortion, anyone who can force you to bear a child can force you to terminate a pregnancy. These are things that shout not be legal or illegal...they should be NON LEGAL, as in no one has any right telling you what you can do. FWIW the world would be a better place with out several easily identified genetic maladies that could be eliminated from the genome in 2 generations...I STILL don't think it's a good idea.
We had a choice when my wife became pregnant, if our child had been seriously disabled we probably would have terminated the pregnancy.
10/12/10
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Miguel,
You're surprised he doesn't listen? You've known that for weeks. And still you argue with him as if he WERE listening. Now he's got you earnestly defending yourself against the charge that you are a Nazi, along with all other liberals. In a couple of weeks, I fully expect to come here and find you denying that you personally killed Christ.
10/11/10
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Wrong...I said it was a bad idea... The real problem with closed minded people is that the not only refuse to pay attention but are willfully ignorant.
So...you are proposing that we are NOT informed about the risks that our kids might have some nasty disease? You are proposing that people NOT be told where kids come from? You are proposing that contraception be unavailabe? Those are the only things I proposed. I also don't recall Altermeyer proposing anything like what you seem to want. You are projecting YOUR personal desires into other people, hoping that you will be allowed to find and eradicate the otherness in society.
Seriously, get it together.
I did not propose eugenics, I said it's a bad idea. Listening...it's cooool you should try it some time.
10/11/10
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Miguel.
Just because you havn't picked up a dictionary and looked up the word eugenics, doesn't make your concept explicitly defined as eugenics. Your desire of making people aware if their genes, and aborting whichever zygote Altemeyer calls a RWA is genocide through eugenics.
Just as Margaret Sanger as the founder of Planned Parenthood desired to rid poverty and other conditions through selective abortions, progressives always fall in the trap of promoting evil through "improving the human condition".
It's the ultimate evil of the socialist puppetmasters who yank your strings.
10/11/10
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Doug, do you actually READ anything I post?I said first UNIVERSAL...which is not against a group, and SECOND that it was a bad idea...pay attention. If anything such a policy would almost completely eliminate abortion...which should please you.
The treatise is expositive of a verifiable historical phenomenon, and correlates with certain pathologies. If you don't like this truth I suggest you teach your compatriots to listen to other views and quit ignoring everything they don't agree with reflexively...and to quit agreeing with everything your leaders say with out thinking about it first.
10/11/10
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Miguel.
What you have described - forced sterilization, eugenics, re/education - of members of certain religious-types or of high-RWAs - is a punishable offense - is a hate crime in Canada.
I also believe that inciting people to perform a hate crime - by creating a feeling of opprobrium against a class of citizens - is also a hate crime in Canada. This is poignant since Dr. Altemeyer is Canadian and an argument can be made that his work is prompting your behavior.
What's it like to be a likely felon?
You see your desire to eradicate a genetic trait is geno-cide.
I'm not sure if I should go to the authorities, as charging Altemeyer for inciting a hate crime in a foreigner is probably not a big deal in Canada. You, on the otherhand, would probably be denied immigration to Canada if you go fishing there. Your posts wouldn't be a big deal in the States. (We still have freedom of expression, until you get really nasty.)
Dr. Altemeyer - What do you think? Should you self-report a potential felony, or deny that you read these posts. IP logs don't lie. It's an interesting situation.
What is even more interesting that Altemeyer fails to understand the mind of the "progressive" is the source of real historical evil. And this evil is a much greater concern than the religious in America.
10/11/10
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Doug...You are projecting your own attitudes about control. I don't think that eugenics is a good idea.
I think that properly educating people in their genes, teaching them how NOT to have kids, and making sure they have the personal emotional tools and the technical means to avoid pregnancy if they are sexually active should be enough. I have friends who decided not to have kids because of their genome, they adopted instead.
The original, and continuing goal of Planned Parenthood is voluntary eugenics, through education first, contraception second and, as a last resort termination.
I happen to think that people should have to actively decide to breed.I MIGHT support universal reversible sterilization at birth...with reversal on demand of BOTH parties, probably not though, it's too easy to start putting conditions on the reversal.
Biological and Societal monocultures weaken a species and a society. I don't believe there is adequate reason to suppress the right of reproduction in the greater interests of society...further I don't want anyone to have that power. ======================== And as a side note, the leaders would breed FOR high RWA traits...it would make it easier to control the populace.
10/11/10
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Miguel.
As Gary shivvers in the dark, I do thank you for the candid discussion.
You stated there are a few geno-types that your compassionate socialism believes should be eradicated from the earth. Can you be a little more specific? Can you list some?
As you stated, the difficulty in eliminating these undesirable genes from mankind is the process. You seem to favor eugenics, forced or mass sterilization. Is this accurate? If not, can you be a little more specific as to how this goal can be accomplished?
10/10/10
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Of course there's a method...All that needs to happen is for a few leaders to get a bunch high RWA followers to believe that it's necessary.
But why bother... Capitalism has done a fine job ensuring there is a master race of aristocrats, why tip your hand.
10/10/10
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Miguel.
A couple of more wrinkles in populating the earth with only the geneomes you think are worthy.
How about you mandate the extinction of bovines. Really all that greenhouse gas emission - they're only good for beef (rare with a dash of Montreal seasoning) (is Montreal seasoning the second best contribution to humanity from Canadians? (F. Banting is first)). We could forcibly extinct cows, horses, cats, dogs, among others as they have no genetic contribution in tour perfect society.
Most "progressives" believe in extraterrestials. Upon contact with humans, if there is a superior race do you propose that all humans be deemed non-desirable and therefore subject to your desire to extinct inferior genetic life?
10/10/10
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Miguel.
Surely there must be a method for progressives to build their "master race"...
How about forced sterilizations? Canada and Sweden are both "progressive" and they both had forced sterilization programs into about the 1970s. Maybe this is how they successfully created males with "manginas". ;p
You just lack creativity or are embarassed to openly discuss your genetic modification desire.
How about embryo banks of certified RWA-free zygotes. Natural impregnation could be illegal. Eventually you could raise your clones in laboratories and create your perfect society.
10/10/10
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Doug...No I don't trust myself to do that, if I did I should be disqualified. Just like anyone who assumes they know whether you should be forced to have a child or forced to terminate a pregnancy.
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