12/30/10
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"Scientists have found that people with conservative views have brains with larger amygdalas, almond shaped areas in the centre of the brain often associated with anxiety and (fear) emotions. On the other hand, they have a smaller anterior cingulate, an area at the front of the brain associated with courage and looking on the bright side of life. The "exciting" correlation was found by scientists at University College London who scanned the brains of two members of parliament and a number of students." Read the whole thing.
12/29/10
Comments:
brain structure http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/8228192/Political-views-hard-wired-into-your-brain.html
and genetics
12/29/10
Comments: Bob, this book really helped me collect my thoughts and make sense of what is going on here in Minnesota and across the USA. Many of us have had the uncomfortable sense that something really destructive to public discourse has been taking place, but have not been able to put the pieces together. Why were people behaving this way? We have seen rational politicians, conservatives & liberals alike, vilified and marginalized while shallow thinking followers are attracted to - and elect - the nuttiest of RWA personalities. (I live in MN 6th District - I can observe them firsthand.)
Thank you for your dedication to your research and for sharing your findings in this Internet forum. I really appreciate the insight you have given me.
12/24/10
Comments: Over on the Google "The Authoritarians" website we had a brief go-around with the idea of conspiracy theorists in general as perhaps being left-wing authoritarians. I think fairly quickly it was left alone with the idea that perhaps there's no causal relationship between one's type, or level of authoritarianism, and one's ability to reason in the first place. Apparently some got's it.... An' somes don't. That's about it :-)
I did notice a few years ago however, when I decided to take a run at the "truthers' due the damage they were bringing to those who had serious questions about other aspects of the attack that perhaps could have been prevented had the neocons been more concerned about docs like the CIA's NIE titled, "OBL determined to attack the USA". But the truthers made it easy for them to deflect such questions by dismissing such talk as merely of the same quality mind as their own --- that being people who don't see anything inconsistent about simultaeously asserting Bush was able to orchestrate the covert planting of extremely complicated demolition charges on at least 2 skyscrapers in downtown Manhattan while the people working there didnt notice a thing AND his still being forced to lose so much credibility due a lack of WMDs that the GOP lost the '06 midterm elections. How? Because that same crack-team who pulled off all those miracles on 9/11 were somehow unable to drop and subsequenty "find" some WMDs anywhere in the entire deserted expanse of the Iraqi desert!
In any case, upon looking at the principal actors in the early truther movement I began to see a rather high number of theology and philosophy degrees. And of all things... Mormons!
For instance Steven Jones, the physicist whose previous work (in Cold Fusion btw <g> in a "hard" science gave the idea enough credibility to move it over the top...? Well. He has tenure at BYU. Which is perhaps one of the most conservative U's in the States according to others I've talked to. The "Anti-Berkeley". Hardly indicative of left-wing authoritarians being at the helm of the Truther ship-of-fools.
12/23/10
Comments: Some observations regarding authoritarians of all stripes that I don't recall you covering in your book:
1. In the minds of many, if not most authoritarians, orthodoxy is a prerequisite for legitimate authority. Thus, there is a minority of traditionalist Catholics who deny the legitimacy of the sitting pope, based upon changes in Catholic teaching and policy since the Second Vatican Council (but I'm not a Catholic). I also suspect this is why some conservative U.S. Republicans openly and repeatedly revile Democratic presidents from the instant they take office until they leave, yet expect the entire country to instantly rally around Republican presidents and are outraged if such are publicly criticized (one set of presidents is legitimate while the other is not).
2. Denial of reciprocity (this is related to the above): it is a moral duty to protect and uphold the "true religion" (even for unbelievers), but there is no obligation to protect or even tolerate "false" ones. Thus, Richard Nixon in his memoirs told the story of his encounter with an Italian Communist who thought it essential that Italy hold free multiparty elections, but saw no need for them in the Soviet Union.
3. Intemperate rhetoric almost always implies lack of tolerance for opposing positions (no matter who the speaker is). In other words, the speaker employing such rhetoric is, more often than not, expressing anger at the fact that the issue is even controversial and doubts or denies the sanity, if not the morality of those who disagree. This is one means of gauging authoritarianism, regardless of the ideology espoused.
Usual disclaimer: I am a political independent and have been for 21 years.
12/23/10
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I am 38 years old was born and raised in Missouri and have 6 siblings. My father's son, whom I was not raised around, is a Democrat. The entire rest of my family are all Republicans, but they call themselves "Independents" and are text book AWR with the exception of the religious zealousness. I have actually looked into moving to Canada because I am so fearful of what I see going on here. I have no idea why I did not get the gene to make me an AWR, but I do know it must be a gene because even my nieces and nephews have gotten it, I am apparently the only one in my world immune, and that includes most of my friends, some of which are social Democrats, but all of which have the religious zealot thing going on, and I might say I score pretty high on the religious thing too, but I chose to believe because I have felt the presence, even understanding all the logical arguments why I should not. Anyway, I have honestly felt like I have been loosing my mind the last few years. Two books I would like to know if you have read or are familiar with and I would like to humbly encourage you to read them, because it will lend insight into the minds of the people you have studied so closely. One is called "The Turner Diaries" it has been banned in the US, which I do not agree with, but it is a fictional account of white supremest taking over the country, and clearly most white supremacist must be AWR. Second is "The Handmaids Tale" written by a fellow Canadian of yours. Brilliant book, shows a true understanding of how and why this could happen. If I had the $10,000 I would move to Canada. I am a single mother with a 4 year old son, and believe me, my family would love nothing more then for laws to be made so I had to give him to one of them to be raised. Which I will never do, because I honestly fear he will be turned in to one of them. Until I read your entire book tonight I was really beginning to have serious doubts about my sanity, now I know I am probably an anarchist, but I really do understand my family and friends better and I truly thank you for that. I will not say God Bless you, because I do not want to offend you, but I do want you to know that I really have been...well I do not know how to say it, except to say thank you very much for your book and if I had the money I would own every book you ever wrote. Thank you.
12/20/10
Comments: To F.D. You sent me your comment privately, which means it will not appear here and also that I can’t give you my responses personally, since I didn’t get your email address. I shall summarize your point here, which I think is well worth noting. In general you said that if someone wants to find left-wing authoritarians, one only need go to Berkeley where lots of authoritarian liberals believed that 9/11 was an “inside job” pulled off by the Bush administration. And that left-wing authoritarians routinely gather for a protest in Berkeley, become energized by being in a crowd, and then go on rampages on Telegraph Ave. destroying property and doing far more damage than any Tea Partiers have done. (You also said, I should observe, that nevertheless right-wing authoritarianism in your opinion remains a bigger threat to democracy than left-wing authoritarianism.) I’m no longer in the data-collecting business, but someone who wants to test for lwa might administer my LWA scale (see Chapter 9 in The Authoritarian Specter), the RWA scale, and other measures to a suitable Berkeley sample to see what happens. I myself haven’t seen any studies that found the “9/11 Conspiracy Theorists” tended to be low RWAs. My personal perception was they came from all over, and were inclined to believe a lot of other conspiracy theories as well, going back to “FDR knew the Japanese were going to attack Pearl Harbor and did nothing” and “Lee Harvey Osward was a CIA stooge.” I can readily accept that belief in a “Bush-9/11 conspiracy” took hold in various “far-left” groups. But I’d be surprised if these were low RWA groups, because in general low RWAs are pretty rational and make their judgments because of evidence, not because of the influence of the maddening crowd. As for the occasional riots in Berkeley, I would bet that most of the participants are anarchists living in that community, and while anarchists are of course very opposed to the established authority, I’m not sure you can call someone who rejects all social authority an “authoritarian.” (“True believer,” yes.) I think low RWAs are more likely to protest legally, and if illegally, in acts of civil disobedience where they are openly confronting a law they consider unjust. Running up and down the street in a crowd setting cars on fire, smashing windows, and looting stores is pure cowardice. I do hope someone out there does a good study of all this, if it hasn’t been done before. After all, Berkeley was the birthplace of research in The Authoritarian Personality.
To L.G. Same problem as above with private messages. Yes, John Dean has been on Keith Olbermann’s show a number of times, and he has said he thinks that authoritarianism is a great threat to the country and to the Republican Party in particular. But I do not know if Mr. Olbermann has read this book.
To Jack Tobin: Why did I say, on P. 69/70, that the Block and Block longitudinal study lent weight to genetic explanations of rwa? Because, in a backwards-thinking sort of way, the best predictor we have of adult levels of rwa is a person’s score on my Experiences Scale, which makes good predictions and is based on the “nurture” side of the nature-nurture debate. Yet the Block and Block study showed persistent personality traits among liberals and conservatives from a very early age to adulthood. Most people have tons of experiences over the years, which bend them this way and that. That’s what I’ve found in the effects of higher education studies, and the effects of becoming a parent. So if it really is all nurture, not nature, there should be a pretty strong disconnect between what one is like at age 3 and what one is like as an adult. The correlations, admittedly low, imply there are some enduring influences. They aren’t necessarily genetic, but that’s an obvious possibility. My own prediction, as stated in the book and on this website, is that when somebody has this all figured out sometime in the future, one’s level of rwa will be shown to be determined by the interaction of genetic and environmental influences, not one or the other. The way each of these forces expresses itself will be affected by the other, and it will not be a matter of “which is more important” but “how did the two produce this?” [This is the stock answer among behavioral scientists now, by the way, and we may turn out to be wrong.] To Walter: You gave my answer to your question about the difference between self-esteem and self-efficacy as you discussed this issue in your posting. Self-esteem is more global and can be based, in part, on feelings of self-efficacy. But it can mask a lack of self-efficacy as well, and I think it does, in general, in high RWAs. They don’t think they can do much by themselves, they feel vulnerable and unimportant. Being in a group reassures them, and having a powerful leader and cause, especially a holy or a "patriotic" one, can make them quite proud of themselves. (I’ve been struck, over the years, by “white power” groups whose members are basing their self-esteem on something they did not achieve in the least: the color of their skin. It’s sort of the minimal basis for self-esteem. Maybe it works for these people because it’s all they’ve got.) Low RWAs, I think, will show stronger self-efficacy as a group than high RWAs. Also to Walter: I think you’re right about the validity of distinguishing pro-establishment from anti-establishment authoritarians. I tried to capture the latter with my LWA scale, but just couldn’t find many genuine cases in my studies, which included socialist politicians. I heard the suggestion in 1975 that Nixon could pardon himself, whether he resigned or not. But I don’t know of any evidence that this was stated to Gerald Ford and used to lever the pardon. I don’t think even Alexander Haig, who was the point man in these negotiations, told Ford this was one of Nixon’s options. (For one thing, Nixon would have long been out of office, one way or the other, by the time he was convicted of anything. And the legality of giving yourself a pardon before you’ve been convicted of anything would probably fall down in court.) To Gary Williams: Yes, Henry Wallace was quite concerned about the possibility of fascism growing in the United States. So were others, including some researchers. And yes, the parallels to Fox News, etc. are striking. Wallace was talking about fascist leaders using the news to deceive the public. The researchers went beyond that and talked about the people who wanted to be deceived, whom we now call authoritarian followers. I’ve tried to argue that they’re the bigger problem. It wasn’t long before Sen. McCarthy was using Wallace and the threat of “Communists spread all throughout the government” (“I have a list…”) to illustrate Wallace’s very point, and the researchers’. Also to Gary Williams: Yes, that Pew Poll of members of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, which was reported in July, 2009, found an overwhelming 9-1 preference for the Democratic party over the Republicans. I don’t think the Republicans have gained much ground since then, although I wouldn’t be surprised if the Democrats have lost some to Independents. This may have something to do with what it takes to be a scientist, which include having a relatively open mind, rational thinking, a willingness to let nature decide, and a distrust of dogma. So high RWA students may find scientific inquiry scary, not to mention distressing given many of the things science has found. Hence more liberals than scientists may become scientists. But I think the bigger reason why scientists tend to favor the Democratic Party over the GOP is the one Pew Research cited: the GOP, especially under Bush, has alienated scientists. They didn’t just ignore the research, but adopted policies that went against the collective scientific wisdom. That’s pretty hard to take for people who are busting a gut trying to discover the truth. “Here, look, we’ve worked long and hard at it, and the evidence is clear. The planet is heating up dangerously.” And the reply was, “No it’s not.” (And Jupiter doesn’t have moons, and the sun goes around the earth every day.) This hasn’t changed. Republican politicians are still making arguments like, “We don’t have to worry about global warming because the Bible says God’s going to destroy the earth by fire.” And few Republican politicians point out the many ways that this is foolish line of reasoning.
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12/13/10
Comments: Appearing in both Slate and Mother Jones today I see articles reflecting on the reason for the Pew stats saying that only 6% of US scientists identify themselves as Republicans, while 55% did so as Democrats, while 35% stated their affiliation as "Independent".
They went on to reflect on what the possible reasons for the huge disparity could be, and at least one of these articles was openly asking for scientists themselves to help clear up the discrepancy.
I of course immediately thought of your work Dr. Altemeyer. I think this would be an excellent opportunity to introduce your work to a wider audience were you to weigh in on the matter.
http://motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2010/12/where-are-republican-scientists
http://www.slate.com/id/2277104/pagenum/all/
12/12/10
Comments: I just read an old (1944) description of the fascist personality as it was then conceived of by Henry A. Wallace, then Vice President of the USA, and an exceptionally interesting (and progressive) character in his own right. And what he wrote way back then about what he felt were the motivating factors behind the "American fascist personality", now seems so remarkably accurate for the times that I have to wonder if he wasn't in some way directly associated with Adorno. Him, or perhaps some of the other early pioneers who, after the war, began looking into what sort of person it was that was still capable of shocking an all-shocked-out world by repeating what we now call the "Nuremberg Defense".
A few excerpts: "The American fascist would prefer not to use violence. His method is to poison the channels of public information. With a fascist the problem is never how best to present the truth to the public but how best to use the news to deceive the public into giving the fascist and his group more money or more power." "Most American fascists are enthusiastically supporting the war effort. They are patriotic in time of war because it is to their interest to be so, but in time of peace they follow power and the dollar wherever they may lead". "American fascism will not be really dangerous until there is a purposeful coalition among the cartelists, the deliberate poisoners of public information, and those who stand for the K.K.K. type of demagoguery." (sounds like Murdoch, FOX, and the Tea Party, Minutemen types to me)" "Fascism is a worldwide disease. Its greatest threat to the United States will come after the war, either via Latin America or within the United States itself. Still another danger is represented by those who, paying lip service to democracy and the common welfare, in their insatiable greed for money and the power which money gives, do not hesitate surreptitiously to evade the laws designed to safeguard the public from monopolistic extortion. American fascists of this stamp were clandestinely aligned with their German counterparts before the war (Prescott Bush?), and are even now preparing to resume where they left off, after "the present unpleasantness" ceases." (Bush's l and ll?) http://newdeal.feri.org/wallace/haw23.htm
These and many more fascinating statements --- made by an American VP (of all people!). When I read this stuff then go look at his WikiP biography, I get the impression that he may have been perhaps the last openly left-sympathetic politician to hold such high office in the United States.
12/06/10
Comments: Its my understanding (wish I could remember the source) that Ford was presented with the possibility that if he did not agree to pardon Nixon, that Nixon's last official act would be to pardon himself.
No one wanted to deal with that can of worms.
12/06/10
Comments: I think establishment authoritarians and anti-establishment (mainstream, non-mainstream) authoritarians might convey the concept better, and at the same time find those terms silly, so maybe there just isn't a good vocabulary for the concept.
I said 99% because at times I felt that you gave the low-RWA's a free pass, but then you did say the high RWA's did it more, not exclusively.
Sometimes there is a problem with vocabulary. What is self-esteem verses self-confidence, etc.
I've seen a study that shows that students with low self-esteem are more invested in whether the school basketball (football, etc.) team wins than student's with high self-esteem. But maybe they meant self-confidence, or maybe they said self-confidence and I remember self-esteem.
But I do think there is a problem where people just by joining a RWA group will then perceive themselves as part of an elite just by joining. They don't have to do anything but join to achieve this status.
Hell, that study might have been talking about self-efficacy as I seem to remember that the conclusion was that students with more accomplishments had less need to view the team's accomplishment as their own.
I guess this means that joining the group might provide social confirmation and certainty to those who join.
12/04/10
Comments: bob,
i bought and read the book a couple of years ago, and thought very highly of it. a recent email discussion with a friend about an ostensibly unrelated topic led me to reread it. i like it even better this time around. anyway, aside from the obviousness of the family's influence on authoritarian or non- views, and the attention you spend on it, i was a bit surprised at your comment in the final paragraph on p. 70 (on-line version, p. 69 paper version). i do not see that the behavior of nursery-school girls suggests anything about the possibility of genetic influence, since the amount of time they would have spent with the family is more than enough to explain the origins of their ultimate views.
jack tobin, ed.d.
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11/30/10
Comments: To Gary W. It’s hard to disagree with Frank’s assessment of GWB. I said I thought Bush was a Double High in the book (pp. 189-191—just after I described Tom DeLay as a Double High. (I see DeLay still maintains he didn’t break the law that the jury said he did.) And V.P. Cheney seems almost an archetypical high SDO—at least of the kind who work behind the scenes through others. To Marie: Thank you very much for your kind words. It especially means a lot to me that you’ve recommended this book to your friends. That is how almost everyone comes to this site, and it is the very best kind of “advertising.”(It’s also quite inexpensive!) Can you describe the experiences that made you a low, low RWA? To Walter: I’d take “60% right” in a flash, although your comment about 99% reminds me of David Steinberg’s joke about the kid who came home from school and told his mother he’d gotten a 95% on his spelling test, and she responded, “Who got the other five?” I think Eric Hoffer was a very insightful thinker. It’s interesting that his first (and most famous) book, The True Believer, was published right after The Authoritarian Personality came out of the halls of U. Cal. Berkeley, on the other side of the Bay from his base. TAP had an enormous impact on psychology, but in the long run I think Hoffer hit more nails on the head. Particularly insightful was his observation that the same kind of person tends to flock to “left-wing” and “right-wing” mass movements. (I would call them authoritarian followers.) Hoffer thought they commonly lacked self-esteem. I’m not sure that’s right. It’s more a lack of self-confidence, or self-efficacy. (High RWAs do not tend to score low on the usual self-esteem scales…but these tests leave a lot to be desired.) And there’s a lot more going on in authoritarian followers than just the feeling that they personally can’t cut it, such as high levels of fear and a lot of blindness and denial. To Greg: Psychological research, perhaps like research in economics, is strongly influenced by fads. People—especially young academics—are under unbelievable pressure to publish, and they pay close attention to what the editors of various journals are apparently interested in publishing. Authoritarianism had its day in the sun in the 1950s and 1960s, producing a vast, confusing literature that got bogged down in seemingly unanswerable technical questions, and people moved on to other topics (such as cognitive dissonance). As you may have discovered from your searches, the research that has consumed my life has been favorably reviewed by almost every academic who has commented upon it. But this field will probably never become “hot” in psychology again, in my lifetime at least. The world does not need tons of one-shot studies based on the RWA scale. Research on authoritarianism will be advanced from here by one or two new people who will make it their life’s work, and they will do it not to get tenure or to get grants or to get promoted, but because it thrills them so much to explore and figure things out. I read Escape from Freedom in college and believed every word in it. And doubtless the central premise that some people find freedom terrifying and want tyranny instead has held up well over the decades since Fromm’s seminal work. But the problem I have with it now is that it’s all explained in psychoanalytic theory involving the sado-masochistic personality, and that’s very hard to test. Furthermore, it probably was the origin in academic psychology of the notion that there is just one kind of authoritarian, who can be a commanding leader in one context but an abject follower in another. It turns out the leaders and the followers are pretty different from one another in many respects. Most of my grade school education occurred at the hands of Dominican nuns. Funny, they never told me that nickname. And of course you may be right (that is, correct) about my using the modifier “right-wing” in “right-wing authoritarianism.” But most people seem to understand from the beginning of Chapter 1 that the reason I call it “right-wing” is because there can be left-wing authoritarians too, and my research has been largely about the kind who submit to the established authorities. But maybe I should have called it “Z.”
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